Starving Horses in Desperate Need

Made the Call..Hope it helps..

I have been there , seen all these horses, even told a girl I know that works for the state animal welfare about these horses. Lack of shelter,and feed and proper all round care. but nothing was ever done. They come investigate me for having fly sheets on my horses in the summer, but they do nothing about these poor animals!!! They are goign to Pa and buying all these Tb's for 50.00 each and bringing them back here and reselling them. 15 and 20 at a time..with not enough feed or room for all these horses ,, why is it being allowed to go on , why are they not being SHUT DOWN !!!!! !

They should be ashamed of themselves! There is no excuse for letting any horse look like these let alone a bunch! Major prison time would be given if this had been done to humans. We, as a society, need to stop thinking that any of this is allowable and stop looking the other way and be the voice for those who don't have a voice!

I live minutes from this farm. This is outrageous. I have a call into Norma Worley (who is on Vaca) and nobody will discuss it with me. I have a call in to Everett Fowle DA'S office and am still waiting on a call back.. I have posted and cross posted on many rescue sites at this point to get a broader band of help.. If anyone has other idea's or avenues please post them.. I will follow any possible leads to get help for these animals.

Do not be so quick to Judge. I know this farm and all horses have adequate shelter etc. They take in problem horses so of course some of the horses there will be in trouble.

How can these people sleep at night, while turning their head to these reports!

Please...what can be done to help the Maine horses! Allow equine rescues to come in and remove these animals from this historical abuse situation. How would you like it if you were left outside, skinny, no food, no water, no shelter, no coat, to "survive" with nothing??? Would it be too cold for you? Too windy? Too hungry? You can see around the corner and there are folks who can help you, but nobody will let them come and help! How would you feel???

This is truly disgusting. What are we paying these people in Augusta for? Anyone else thinking that it's time for a BIG overhaul of the Animal Welfare program!!!

okay for you who didnt leave your name and think we are JUDGING these people damn right we are I KNOW that appy colt in the first picturehe si 2 year old who was at my hay mans untill this past spring when he was sold to these people he was fat as a butter ball when he was bought... I could tell you things about these peopel that would make your hair curl.. when your told we wont have enough horses here untill we haev 100.. you know its all about the money!!! and shelter ?? 5 and 6 or more horses can NOT get into a 8 by 12 shelter .. WHAT are you thinking !!!!!These people need to be shut DOWN.

What Farm in Clinton, ME???? How come no one will post the name?

"Do not be so quick to judge??"Look at that top picture.Are you nuts????These horses need all the help they can get. I say balm bard the media.These horses need a loud voice.

The state is doing nothing but covering there ass i do not care what they are telling you. i do not no why they do not put this in police hands and do away with animal welfare and save tax payers money because under there watch animals are suffering .you can not keep putting bandaids on big wounds thinking it will go away and you can not keep bullshitting tax payers my 2 cents Janet Tuttle

I called those numbers and left messages. If we all call surely they will listen. Isn't it time we, the Maine horse community, start a petition to change the laws about keeping horses? We have a loud voice, let's use it!

IF THE STATE WOULD DO AS MUCH SAVING ANIMALS AS THEY DO COVERING THERE BUTTS MAYBE THE ANIMALS IN THIS STATE WOULD NOT BE SUFFERING . AND HOW CAN THESLEEP AT NIGHT. WE NEED TO GET RID OF THE WHOLE ANIMAL WELFARE PROGRAM .WE HAVE SOME OF THE BEST LAWS ON THE BOOKS BUT TRULY WE HAVE PEOPLE IN PAiD POSITIONS WHO ARE NOT TRUE ANIMAL LOVERS AND THIS IS SAD FOR THE ANIMALS MY 2 CENTS Janet Tuttle

JUST SICK!!!!!

And when you send the press information, include a tineline of what you attempted to do to help and pictures speak a 1000 words so include them too.

I have received information this afternoon from a better then reliable source, that a large shipment of horse were hauled out of this farm early this morning and were shipped to CANADA. Ok State Freakin Welfare People.. What do you plan to do now you dragged you feet so damn long and all you damn evidence is chopped the f---- up now. (oh state has visited the farm several times as I was told today) ya ok,, why were the horses still there if you have been there several times. You dumbasses just screwed you own case and someone has them ponys on their damn dinner plate now. or will shortly.

Ummm To you who works there on weekends and boards your horse there.. Umm if you are so proud to be affiliated with this facility then where is your name. I did notice you did not reveal it.. Hmmm wonder why.. To all you others trying to help.. I could but I wont name at least 15 pony brokers/shippers that live in close proximity to this farm and I can assure you all that they are all quite close.. And do alot of swapping and trading between themselves to resell. So I am quite sure that all these no name people defending this farm are among the other brokers and shippers in the area.

..and these people have a lovely website and this is her profile from a forum called Maine Riders I have a small 80 acre farm where we raise sport horses and are now focusing on adding color. We stand 7 stallions 5 of which are mature for breeding, 2 WBs, 3 Apps, 1 Arabian and 1 WHITE TB (the only one in the Northeast!). We strongly focus on TB crosses and incorporate color where we can. All of our horses enjoy ample turnout in large groups (even our stallions go out together!) I do Dressage, eventing and some Hunter and Barrel Racing. All of our horses were chosen for their movement, conformation, athletic ablity and most of all their temperment. Aside from horses we raise Staffordshire Terriers and have a wonderful cat family who entertains and keeps the rodent population down. We welcome visitors anytime and can be frequently seen at shows all over New England. There is a thread on the Maine Riders Horse forum discussing this and this was her reply to all the posts. If everyone is so concerned because of a skinny horse that was vetted out that had been on the mend here for a month with several issues from a previous home that was believed to be heading to a home that would continue his care and was aware of his background then why has no one called me. Making assumptions and stirring trouble when you are not aware of anything that takes place just merely sitting behind a computer taking a guess after seeing a terrible picture is not anything reputable. Now also this same person that supposedly rescued said horse in Canada also recommended a good client purchase another horse that was in perfect health and condition according to the vet.... Regarding the emaciated colt....does anyone know his history other than those who are caring for him including a vet that is on site almost every week or every other week? The fact is no.... And for those assuming one pic of a horse is the same as another in a differnt state of health and condition all I can say is making assumptions is about the worst thing you can do. If you are not here on a daily basis and see the animals that come in and go out and the differnt conditions they leave in then there is not much ground in my opinion...has the state been here...yes, has a vet yes do these people know the origins of these animals of course.... A couple pictures speaking for a group isn't very much.... As for the pics jso posted....sad but true that horses only tie to this place is that she was a former boarder from when ivy had someone taking care of it. We have nothing to hide here....never have and never will. What I'm not understanding from anyone is why no one has actually called with their concerns and simply asked what is going on instead of making an assumption on rumors and some pictures...again I welcome any questions and will be happy to talk with anyone on the phone or in person on this.... I have told her if she feels that way that i will be out this weekend to see her horses...let's see how that goes. the address for the forum is: http://maineriders.com/cgi-bin/forum/meridersconfig.pl And the thread is called Clinton Horses Also here is a link to her what she puts on line for selling horses, makes me sick she does this crap to horses and has such a lovely site...

Ok it seems they wont let me post the people's names here for some reason, if they let me put this post up and you want to know who they are email me at 2horses@roadrunner.com and I'll tell you

I was there, I have called the state and made reports, called friends to make reports. I also called the Bangor Daily News Pittsfield office and talked to Chris Cousin and asked why if this is going on it the area, why isn't it being reported? He said he would look into it. I know of atleast 2 horse that have been bought out of there to great homes in Canada. These wonderful women have been working hard to try and do anything to help with this situation. I feel so sad this is going on and the state will suply more money for parks and meth clinics but nothing for starving helpless animals, they should be ashamed!

I just saw a link to this story on FaceBook & thought I would check it out. I am not going to judge, as I do not have all the facts. I am just going to state, from my own experience........on Christmas Eve I bailed an old QH gelding from the killpen at the Camelot Auction in NJ. I chose him becasue he looked the worst. All his ribs showing, etc. I thought perhaps nobody else would choose him. When he arrived in Vermont, he turned out to be MUCH older than the rescue ladies had claimed.....not 17 or 18, but 30 yrs old! All 4 of his feet had abcessed & his feet were very overgrown. I had the vet and the farrier to my barn to see him right away. I actually left the auction stickers on his rump for weeks, because I was SO afraid somebody who did not know me & the horses story, would call the authorities & report me for abuse & neglect, rather than find out the truth. ( and that I had actually done a wonderful & caring thing by saving his life) I have only recently taken the stickers off. His ribs do still show a bit. The vet says they will for a while yet. A horse of his age and condition is fragile & one cannot just pour the feed into them. There is a huge risk of colic and laminitis, etc. It has been almost 6 weeks that I have had my rescue horse & he is still not even close to "filled out" However he gets 2nd cut hay, SR grain and about a dozen additional vitamins & herbals added to his feed twice per day. But.....if one did not know me and did not know the horses story......they would not realize that from just looking at him from the road. He still looks too thin. Each horse is different & these things do take lots of time. That is all I have to say. Thanks.

I would bet money that if these disgracful events were caught on tape and submitted to any major News network in New England, they would be more than willing to expose this farm of horrors! Especially if it is emphasized that all the appropriate authorities had been notified time and time again and ultimately ignored!! The media would have a field day with those that were hired to look after animal welfare and also the poor excuses for human beings on the farm itself!! Get all the footage and eyewitness accounts with a contact person and contact the News!!! This sounds sounds like such a desperate time and it calls for something very drastic!!! Please keep us posted... Michelle from REading, Mass

Dan is very right.. I too have known of the on goings with this woman along will all her pony broker pals around her. People, The colt on the page emaciated to bones with skin and fur draped over was the most beautiful yearling last spring early summer when she bought him. I wanted to buy that colt in the worst way but could not afford him at the time.. I have looked at that picture all day, never realizing that was the colt i drooled over forever and couldnt buy. This is definitely her doing and not a horse she quote unquote rescued.. She bought him beautiful and made him to what he is now. I am sick that they State is paying for her and Brett to have a free ride and sell the proceeds to slaughter and then buy more that we will all be taking care of as soon as they land there. The State is keeping them in business with free money from the state. A great investment for them to profit off. WTF. If the state is paying to feed and vet these horses they damn well can demand they not be disposed of by the suspect dontcha think

Maybe checking police logs for Clinton Maine (last fall sometime)refrence to hay stolen (a barn full) last fall.. Hmmm wonder if any of these names will appear in the investigation or better yet if the names may appear under charged and sentenced.. Hmmmm just wondering..lol

I agree Joan ,, i brought 4 different horses this past year at different times to bring home and nurse back to health and sodl for jsut what i had in them to homes i checked out a head fo time. my sister has one of the geldings. i only took on 1 at a time cause tis all i KNEW i could aford with out putting them or my own horses in any jepordy. I have al the receipts from vet.s and farriers and feed bills i kept on each horse so i would know what to charge for the horse as to not cheat the public.. but when these poeple are bringing in trailer loads at a time from PA. from Auctions , and reselling them this is not a rescue!!! The last time i had the state called on me i was told every horse has to beable to get to shelter 24/7 and the shelter has to be big enough for the horses to walk in turn around lay down and get up with ample room and comfotablity. I KNOW for a fact all the horses down there DO NOT have this.. as it was said 18 box stalls and several run in's which are im pretty sure 8 by 12 or 10 by 12 are not goign to house even the 37 horses counted out there in thier fences today .. and i KNOW for a fact in Oct they had twice that many horses there.. As for the horses hauled off to canada to the killers .. how do i say at this point whats worse staying there starving or dieing all at once .. In my opinon neather should have to be happening to them !!! But only people like us can stop it ,, So lets get to it , make the calls , send the emails do what we need to do to wake up the state of MAINE !!!!!

someone needs to contact her vet and farrier if she has one. if they are supposedly rescues they would know. its disgusting. the news needs to go out there and get it into the headlines.

I think all of you are setting yourselves up for a great big slander lawsuit. I'm guessing just one person started this whole thing and the rest of you are followers. I just read all the posts on Maine Riders and the reply. If I were them I wouldn't even allow any of you to come and see the place. You sit at your computers and go to the newspapers and TV stations like a bunch of mercenaries. Instead of grabbing bags of grain or helping with chores you sit at your little computers and drag them through the proverbial mud. If the State isn't working fast enough, don't you think they know what's going on? Just because they don't tell what's going on doesn't mean they aren't doing anything.. Geeze.. get a life!

This is really wrong and NEEDS to be STOPPED!!!!! Like asap!!!!!

Slander??? Are you kidding ?? lmao... Did you read the posts?? Did you understand what was read?? This is not just a story someone has started and the rest followed. There is at this time and has been for some time an ACTIVE INVESTIGATION into the abuse and neglect of these animals. The State of Maine has been and is continuing to be at that farm. However, not that I am defending the State animal welfare people by any means at all (cause i am not) But as we all know the state rescue facilities are over crowed at this time ( Ummm because of people exactly as the one we are talking about). And some because of the economy too.. But mostly brokers are the cause and back yard irresponsible breeders. So this can not be slander if it is public information that an active investigation in under way. Some of you have not got the information that others of us do have and 1st hand knowledge. How can even 1 person commend the happening at that farm when public record is available. How many of you have known a rescue that 1.. steals hay (a barn full) 2.. Ships horses to a slaughter facility 3.. goes and buys more to fill the field back up 4.. Continues to collect horses with no financial ability to care for them. To those of you stating that you drove by and saw round bails in the fields.. WELL YES YOU DID.. All lovingly donated by you and I and our lovely tax dollars at work.. So while that hay was being delivered for the emaciated horses, the emaciated horses were on a trailer headed north. So why stick up for someone "rescuing" and involved in the above mentioned behavior (public record)(not slander). Of course they are going to post rebuttals in their own defense.. Come on people wouldnt you, if you were caught and about to lose your income. Oh ya you would....Let the News in,, Let a story out. Lets show who is right and who is wrong. Lets see some documentation as to where these horses came from (what action) and when.. Pictures and dates bill of sales from when they landed in your possession. Or how about just giving us the info on the people that you rescued these animals from names dates etc, so we can go find them and make sure they are not doing it to more.. Prove to us that we are after the wrong horse abusers.. Wow novel idea.. Would take the heat off you now wouldnt it. That seems to me the quickest and easiest way to prove that we are after the wrong people and also get your "rescue" some much needed support. If you are truly a rescue.. Simple as that...

I have someone who is trying to help us with this and will be contacting people higher up than the numbers posted. Being a past animal control officer, this is truly a very sad story and cruel to say the least. I agree with others sending money or meds. or food is not the answer. this is just pure neglect and somehow they can justify themselves by saying they are rescue horses. These horses need to be rescued from this farm now. Forward story to as many people as you can, the more people complaining, the more the pressure will be put on the state to take care of this awful mess. They should never be allowed to have animals again.

Yes I was looking for a place to temp board til I finished moving. I did call, Thinking it was still PDQ farm. When i realized it was not well ummm have you seen my horses there (NOT). As a matter of fact I checked out over 20 places to board for those 3 months until I found a proper place with proper feed supply, shelter and care. and I have no idea what you are talking about a dentist to have my horse teeth floated.. I have never taken my horse anywhere to have their teeth floated, my vet has always done that for me at my home. My horse were boarded for 3 months last summer until I was moved. So no I was not looking for those people to board my horses. I was actually looking for Ivy to board my horses. Nice try there.. And as far as the horses being hauled to Canada,, Ummm Law Enforcement officials have first hand knowledge of this. So yes that would be true. A state animal welfare person made the statement that the animals were being fed and treated by the state vet.. So ummm explain that... At least that explains the hay in the field right now anyway

You people defending this farm are all bananas. I used to work at this facility before it was "leased" to these people. It went from a place where I would board my horse, to a place I don't even want my animals to see. Do these people have a permit/license for animal rescuing?? Probably not. The sad part is, most people whom claim to be a "rescue facility", are anything but one. This place is not a rescue facility, they buy horse for dirt cheap from out of state, and supposedly try to rehabilitate and re-sell them. This is a complete joke. They are animal hoarders, they have even STOLEN hundreds of dollars worth of hay to feed these numerous animals. (If you can't afford to feed the animals you have, honestly, you should NOT have them!) The ones that are fat are the ones that are for their own personal use, and ones that they "stud out" to the public. If this is a rescue, why would you want to promote more horses being born. The amount of stallions they have standing only adds to what I'm saying. "Normal, real rescues DO NOT also promote breeding of more animals that could wind up in the same position as the "poor" ones they are taking in. And if they are a real rescue, they need to cut some numbers and not be taking in a bunch from out of state ALL the time. They need to place the ones they already have. In the state of Maine, I know many places that would take a blind horse. Big freaking deal. Do they want a medal for getting a handicapped horse? There are many in our state that are either blind or partially. (My freaking neighbor has one!!) Give me a break. These animals need to be rescued from these "hoarders" and put in a real rescue facility. This disgusts me to no end. They are lying, cheating, stealing people, who have a serious problem. Where the hell is Clinton's ACO? Obviously not doing their job very well. I don't care who has visited this place, YOU obviously don't know how to do your job either. The ones defending these people, only are because, A) They are these people's personal friend, or B)Are allowed to use their elaborate facilities for free in return for their silence about what is truly going on there. And I do know some of you people that use this place for free who should be ashamed. You sicken not only me, but everyone around you who also knows you are doing it, that isn't brave enough to say something. If you don't know what this farm's name is, go on to any local horse for sale website. It's the farm in Clinton, ME with numerous thoroughbreds and other horses for sale had has about a half dozen "For Stud" ads also. Check it out. You'll be surprised how healthy some of these horses looked just one year ago compared to now. Don't say this place is a rescue. It's a disgrace to the REAL rescues and rescuer's out there!

See the reporting probably has been going on for some time and they come when they are all but dead. Poor Poor babies.

Hi I will defiantly call tomorrow and find out what their problem is.

From "came across this sight". I forgot to mention when I called and checked on the load of horses going to Canada - I also asked the owners if they got support monies from the state as inferred from some comments -- THEY DO NOT. Oh, I also asked the vet about the little appy shown on this website. He stated that he has been to the farm regularly. The appy that was fat last spring was kicked hard in the leg by another horse this fall and has had to be lifted by hand to get up. The appy got a terrible infection in that leg has been treated for weeks and has just lately started to recover. I don't care about comments about the owners, I care about the horses. Shoot -- another clarification. The woman has not been around for many years she is a baby at 25. If you want me to get the facts about anything else, I will. I intend to go to the farm, see the horses, the conditions and talk with the owners. I want the truth not untruths.

To the person that DID NOT LEAVE A name and stated...."you people that are defending the barn" - Have you been there recently? These people took over in August. If you are so upset, why don't YOU go and BUY a horse or bring over a BAG of grain? And to the one about "our taxes are paying for this?" Well I rather have my taxes pay for starving animals than for people who choose not to work for a living. I got the email - I went over there - and YES I PAID money for the WORST looking horse there! I don't have room for this horse, but I made room. Instead of coming on here and screaming about how "other people need to get things done, start calling" Why don't you go over and help them yourselves? I believe that you ONLY have the right to complain when you have actually done something about it. I do have this horse, she looks a lot like the one on the top photo. Yes I cried, I will not post pictures of her, but I felt these people were really trying. Maybe their ignorance is to blame. I don't know, but I know I can sleep at night knowing this horse is safe and hopefully she can make it through this ordeal. I have lots of vets bills in the future to expect, however I DID SOMETHING about it, HOW ABOUT YOU!

Ok everyone I see the one that Michelle posted at the top of the blog. See that first pic of that Bay that is all skin and bones? She's safe now at my home! That is the one I actually paid money for to get her out of there. She is stalled, has a nice blanket, and actually nickered to me this morning. She is so sweet. So one horse has been saved from this email.

I called this morning and offered to foster one or more of them. I am also on a list to be kept informed on the case. My heart goes out to these and so many other Maine based neglected horses. It is a shame we put so much effort in defending abuse and those who clearly have no business ever even owning these noble animals. Maine needs to WAKE UP!

Also I believe the appy in the first picture is one of her prized breeding stallions! How'd you like to breed to that?

Very well said, Michelle. Thank you for giving us your opinion, but in a most unbiased way as possible. You certainly give us a much more clear picture of the circumstances. I only hope that it helps the horses in need. Good job!!

I DO know whats going on down there I DO know the owers personally and have for some time. I DO know whats going on , I HAVE been there. AND even IF they was a rescue (which they are NOT) they should NOT be allowed to have more horses then they can properly take care of.. There is so much more to this then people know ( and not in a good way ) and its sad that the horses are the one's suffering due to all this !!!

Hay Girlfriend!!!! COUNT Please!!! I see 6 pics. new updated pics, only three previosuly! None are NICE! The pic of the Appy raises a few questions, Don't ya think? UGH! I don't care who took the pics! Amen and thank you for having the nuts to do so! Go Girl! BRING IT!!! Bring all the pics and Bring all the DRAMA!!! Yippeeeee....It's getting the public aware, so thank you!!!! THANK YOU!!!Somebody had to do it! I'm glad you did. The horses will thank you! And we thank you! Oh, Guess what???? Count the pics: down to NUMBER #: FOUR, 4, please read her story! Thank you for saving this bay. I pledge $100- via paypal. I Double Dog Darn you to match me!!!!!Lynne C. Michaud, 59 Forest Lane, Boscawen, NH 03303

Publishing material that is not true is what opens one to libel. This forum hints of a grudge against the accused. If I was this farm I would certainly be contacting my lawyer and taking any and all action possible to protect myself. To complain that the state hasn?t taken the actions that person would like them to is one thing, but to make false accusations, and to encourage others who do not know the facts to make complaints, is neither fair or useful, and is just as abusive as those alleged against said horses.

Dear readers this is a wake up call!!!! This has been going on for years and years and years! The AWP of Maine is fully aware of the situation, there have been tons of complaints over the last 10 years, I personally have made several of them and nothing ever happens. I want to know why the AWP is not as responsible for this as the actual owner? Do not feel relief when the state tells you they are investigating, that is the same song and dance they have given me over the years. WE as a caring equine community have got to stay strong and firm on this one! Or it will continue!!! Trust me it is known and documented the condtions these horses have suffered through, some of them, their entire lives! For Anyone wanting first hand info and documentation of this feel free to email me at prospecthorsefarm hotmail.com. Of course leave out the spaces and add the @ Please stay strong and don't let this one go! I BEG you as these poor horses BEG you for help. A warm stall, soft bedding for their boney bodies to lay. Food and water to give them strenght to survive. A kind word, a gentle stroke of love to let them know it is going to be okay! For those of you that have horses, give them a hug and thank your lucky stars they are home safe and sound!

Ranya.. Well that blows the statements that the horses with the shipper went to home and were vetted and cleared.. If you picked up that horse,, ok so that explains the vetted and cleared part of only your trailer.. Not the large shipment.. lol... Seems to me the statements made by other about calling the vet and all .. well if the vet aint given all the info of course the vet knows a horse or 2 was hauled and cleared and went to good home.. That would be the one you picked up.. Still the vet would have no knowledge of the shipment to Canada.. But the farm can state that a trailer did leave yesterday enroute to a good home.. Pretty clever of them dont we think.. Ranya thank god you managed to get some out of there..

As some other advocates have said, please make sure your responses, calls, queries are polite, respectful, but firm. Animal abuse will not be tolerated in Maine. Advocates can contact their legislators, local media, the Department of Agriculture, etc..with the message that you oppose animal cruelty and want to see this case fully investigated and the animals cared for properly. (This applies to all animal cruelty and neglect cases.) When people get involved, everyone in the state becomes aware that animal abuse cannot be pushed aside.

Ashlee A.. KUDOS to you sweety.. That bay mare will now be loved and cared for.. Thats one less for us to worry about in the whole horrible and tragic situation... I for one am thankful that you didnt give up and convince them to let you purchase that horse.. GOOD JOB

people just dont understand the Real Care of A horse. People get them just to have one or get rid cause they didnt turn out to be a good horse at a specific job. then you get people who want to help but have no horse sence background. where are vets? where is shelter? where are the Blankets to keep warm and main thing Is there grain and plenty of un frozen water.come on if you want to help the horses and have funds to only feed out haylet other people know so the horse community can help or find other places that can rehab and appropriatley care for these horses in need.

these horses NEED help and A BETTER FACILITY to help them rehab i got one xtra stall

Just so that those who need to know WILL know this...I have been told by a very reputable source that often truck loads of their horses are not necessarily hauled off to slaughter but off to the Litchfield Landfill where they are tied and then shot. Given the horrible death that slow starvation must be I guess this is probably the better option but something that really should be looked at. I am willing to foster one horse at my cost if it comes to that. I left my contact information at Norma's office today but I suspect that it will be ignored as it was the last time that I offered to help. I do have many, many good reference to provide if need be.

it is typical for our govt to not care about animals. they put laws out because they're supposed to and its politically correct, but as many people have said if you report issues and follow up with appropriate parties things will happen. it seems dept of ag covers their own ass with their response again politically correct what people want to hear, but may be full of crap. i think there is an issue with funding for the farm that they don't have enough to care for the horses, its unfortunate. i do not blame the caregivers. there's something similar with puppy mills. USDA says they're ok and minimum minimum standards, things slip by and are "enough". there's laws and they're not enforced. it's pure disgrace. i hope a positive outcome will come to this, really.

Good job Ashlee! Thank you for saving one,that is AWESOME!

guys as the state is investigating lets also drive the point first these owners of the horses should be banned and ordered to never be allowed to have horses in the state of Maine. Horse hoarding is a serious matter and I also understand that once these horses make it either to landfill or in hopes to good homes if time is permitted. THat the owner stay away from idea of visting auctions and getting more horses. That is the root of this problem. It must cease so the state does not have to step in later down the road and go through this all over with these hoarders.

You with no name.. Could you please state which Michelle you are referring too that you state may have trespassed by getting the pictures.. I am at this time unsure who you are referring to.. Please advise

For those of you afraid to sign your name, your comments hold no truth or conviction. To say these horses are in "good" condition or that this is a "rescue" is asinine. The is deplorable, disgusting and beneath the level or man or equine or any living animal for that matter. No better a person than a sibling of satan would hold an animal in such horrific standards. Shame on anyone who has had anything to do with this and not done the right thing. Officials should have held this farm accountable, clearly, long ago. "The world is a dangerous place, not because of those who do evil, but because of those who look on and do nothing." Anna Sewell, author of Black Beauty.

I have Law Enforcement and horse background and had applied for a position with Norma as a Humane Agent. I was told point blank that I "had too much law enforcement background" and pretty much not to apply again. This is why nothing is ever done with problems like this...it's enforcement of the law that needs to be done and the Dept. of Agriculture under Norma won't do it.

Per the AWO response posted above - "At the same time, there is ongoing collaboration between the farm's vet and our vet who are developing a "herd management plan" Herd management plan????? Here's a herd management plan - STOP BREEDING and stop bringing more horses in - how's that for a beginning! The shelters do not meet the 3 sided shelter criteria mandated by Maine State Law. If the AWO has been on site several times in the past 3 weeks - and the shelters still do not meet the state mandates - why are they tiptoeing around this. We have been fortunate that the last three weeks has not brought Typical Maine weather and 2 feet of snow - The shelter issue alone is enough to move on - the law regarding shelter is very cut and dried. Please contact your local legislators (and others in your area) and let them know that this is unacceptable. There are too many unknowns in this case how ever there are enough Known violations for this to have been pursued more aggressively than has been to date.

I can understand those of you who do not know these people , or never have been to this farm, but many of us do and have.. we are not jsut thowing words around .. and why are we talking about the people as well as the horses ,, maybe beceause the horses are this way BECAUSE of the people/owners. Just my opinon but IF the state si working with these people, shouldn't it be a rule/law / regulation that no more horses can come into this farm untill this mess is cleaned up... and these poor horses placed into homes.. AND if this is a rescue why are they selling the horses and not jsut placing them inot good homes with signed adoption papers?? By the way Michelle , i cant find ya number and SHE isnt home ... call me !! lol

Understanding motives/adequate care: I have no first hand knowledge of the facility being discussed, but I do have experience with many "rescue" and "adoption" claims. As far as I know, nobody advocates cruelty, substandard or inhumane treatment of animals. This is the essence of the pathology of hoarding. Those engaged in this, do, in fact, believe they are ?saving? animals. But it means acquiring more animals than can be cared for. At its worst, it involves breeding even more. These are the 2 features that distinguish the hoarders from the rescuers. Other criteria: Are the animals passed on to new homes for no fee, nominal fee, or highest market value. This will reveal much about motives/purpose/pathology.

To the ?un-named? person ? get your Michelle?s straight. I?m ?#3?, the one who personally viewed and photographed the animals & their living environment?FROM A LEGAL SPOT IN A CAR IN THE ROAD, NOT TRESPASSING. I did not ?forget to include? anything; if you read it again, you will see I stated that I did not view or photograph those horses properly. I did not comment on those horses. This post will be only the third one I have sent. To Ayuh ? the three bottom photos were taken by me yesterday, as described above. The facts observed are listed alongside those photos, within my first post. To Donna H ?RIGHT ON! The shelter issue is EXACTLY what I referenced to Ch 6 ? who denied seeing these 2 sided, collapsing shelters, because they were only shown certain barns. THAT is truthfully the ONLY fact based, law-backed item that can be addressed right now. If the state has not issued a notice to comply regarding the lack of sides, dangerous condition, and inadequate shelter space, THAT is where our focus needs to be. If the state has issued a notice to comply, then the state will wait to see if compliance occurs within the allowed time frame. That being said, it would seem to me that a minimum of ?clean up? would be mandated to at least remove the danger factor from the broken boards and debris. To Ashlee ? which mare do you have? The one in the 2nd photo or the 4th photo down? Just curious. Whichever one you have, I hope she does well and please keep us posted. To all ? when you contact the welfare department, commissioner, media, governor, etc., stress to them that the housing for these horses DOES NOT MEET THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS SET FORTH BY MAINE STATE LAW. Quote the law for them. We need to hold people accountable for ABIDING BY and UPHOLDING Maine?s animal welfare laws. We are not asking for something outlandish ? we are DEMANDING the MINIMUM for these animals AS REQUIRED BY LAW!

Absolutely Dan.. Kudos Michelle #3... Now for those that have posted about dumping sites and such.. PLEASE... The Governors office is monitoring this site and all these posts.. PLEASE..... State in you comments exact locations of these dumping sites that you appear to have knowledge of.. Just the mere accusation of those sites is not enough for anyone to locate the remains of anything.. Stating that animals have been dumped in Litchfield and Burnham does not narrow the field down very much for an investigator to be able to go and retrieve any evidence.. Post the exact locations that you are aware of.. Post any information that an investigator can run with.. You people have a wide range of readers watching right now .. Governors office, AG's office, State animal welfare, News media and thousands of other people around the country.. This is the chance to post what exactly is known and how, and provide locations and proof.. Information that can be verified will take us alot further to getting a conviction and most importantly getting the animals removed much faster.. So with that said where the hell are these dumping sites (road, land mark, whatever you know) that will bring us to finding remains.. Once you have posted that information the call the AG's office, the DA'S office, the Governor's office and the Animal welfare office in give them the information on how you came to know about this..

whatever, as long as all of you eat meat from all sorts of animals you have no business bitching about this.... what do you think cows and chickens and pigs and (believe it or not) horses go through when they get slaughtered and transported for your enjoyment, pleasure, fine dining, etc... Get a grip, it's all wrong.

you guys need to check out fugly of the day, this isn't her first time doing this!! the media should be reporting this. how much time will pass before anything gets done? it will be too late for some of these horses.

To Michelle #3 - I have the 4th horse down - the bay mare that has her head in the hay. I was not told she was a rescue horse. She came to them as a lesson horse. So I don't know for a fact that they did this to her, or if the prior owners starved her. I have no idea, only that this horse is in absolute HORRIBLE condition. She basically has the body of the colt in the 1st photo - you just can't tell by the picture that was taken of her. I don't think she would have lasted another month. I will not throw accusations around on who did this to her, and I won't assume anything. I don't have any concrete facts. I just know whoever did this to her is so cruel. I cried when I groomed her last night. I just want facts. The people running this place (the woman anyways) has always been friendly to me. I just don't know what or who to believe at this point. :( I saw hay in all of the bins, stalls were clean, some horses were fat. I did not see the horses out in the fields condition, but they had hay. But I will make this VERY clear, this site is what saved this horse. I would NEVER have gone down there to look if I hadn't read this.

Michelle R can you put the link in here , just leave spaces between things so it well post so we can see the pictures your talking about ? And so the "higher up " people monitoring this site can see them as well

Kat,, I was sent pics and documentation and dates in ref to horse name Creepy that she leased out of Maryland.. This is from back in 2002 between April, 2002- Oct 15, 2002...Horrid pics.. Makes ya wanna cry

sure its www.fuglyblog.com man she's one tough cookie!

and here's the news director for ch. 6 newsdirector@wcsh6.com. and the addy for programs to ch. 6 programming@wcsh6.com.

Hmmm... Dear Anonymous (otherwise known as the farm owner who is desperately trying to run damage control), If you would seriously like to fix this situation, then perhaps you would be smarter to provide: 1. Documentation from the veterinarian who we keep hearing about. Evidently the same vet who told a supposed stranger about your horses. If it makes you feel better, no one here really thinks that that part of the story is true-- since vets don't share client information with outside sources. 2. Provide documentation of receipt of starving or damaged horses. You DID take videos and fill out paperwork, the way any reputable barn or rescue would do, right? 3. Provide proof of your nonprofit status as a rescue. You did claim to be a rescue. 4. Be open and forthright about the exact situation of the horses, instead of making ludicrous claims that because round bales are provided, all horses are taken care of and healthy. Pictures can be photoshopped, but NOT that much. You have starving horses on your property, and horses with serious health issues. You better be able to prove that they came there recently that way. I'm sorry that you feel pressured and are upset, but while many people push the panic button at seeing starving or abused horse pictures, there are also a LOT of real horsemen on the Internet, who know exactly how stables are run and how horses should be cared for and treated. I've had starving and/or crippled horses on my property before-- in fact I do now. I also have documentation of how they arrived, what care as been given, and photos of when they came and their present day condition. Smart horsemen do that. Did you do that? I doubt it. Otherwise you would deal with the situation with facts, instead of absolutely hilarious threats of Libel. Yea. I would love to see you press a suit against one or more people for libel. Where are you going to get that $3,000 retainer? Take it out of your hay fund?

Went to visit this farm today, watched the pastures for quite somet time. Counted about 5 horses that were dead lame and could barely support their own weight. The drafts seemed to be in good shape, other than the lack of shelter and fresh water they all seemed to have okay body condition. The other horses were appalling, it's a beautiful day here in Maine and almost 40 plus degress and it was obvious that someone had blanketed these horses to hide their condition. Hips and ribs were distinct even through heavy blanketing. When I first drove by the facility there was a Red Roan possibly (hard to tell from current condition) that was standing in the breakdown lane of the road. I turned around and went back and at that point he had stepped back over the chain that acted as the gate for his "pasture" which looked more like a driveway to me. This chain couldn't have been more than two feet high at it's highest point. The Roan had a very bad body condition and no shelter or hay in the area where it was being kept. This is appalling and hopefully something will be done soon regarding this situation. I took lots of photos while I was out there, and have sent many to newspapers and any form of media I can think of to get their story out there. Hopefully the state will do something before conditions worsen.

Man, I've been reading through the comments for the last half an hour, and I'll tell you something right now... I've been boarding at that farm for the last two and a half years, so I know what is was like before the owners of the place now took it over. The shelters have been like that for a long time, and so has the fencing. The owners of the farm put EVERY CENT of money they earn back into those horses, to feed them and to make them better. And as for putting horses down, they do put them down in a humane way, so the horses don't suffer anymore, but they do everything they possibly can to try and save that anumal first. I would suggest that before you people start condemning the people at this farm, you look to you and yours first. I can garauntee that not all of you are as pristine about the care of your animals as you think you are. And that appy in the picture? ... that he is two years old and is used for breeding and whatever you idiots think he is used for. He is just a baby recovering from a severe case of pnuemonia. Shut up if you don't know the real facts. Like I said before, I board out there, and I go out there every weekend to work the horses. My mare isn't emaciated and starving and whatever you want to describe a skinny horse. If anything, she is fat from all the food they feed those horses out there. You people want to run your mouths about GOOD PEOPLE, well, come on out and meet up with me, and you will see how REAL HORSEPEOPLE TAKE CARE OF THEIR ANIMALS.

I understand the cost of seizing these horses but the person can still be charged. Where is the ACO?? Why is he or she not charging the owner. Thier must be more to the story

In response to "Kristie" Horses are Prey animals and as such it is literally survival of the fittest - there are some horses there in OK shape - why - because they can walk to get to whatever food they can find - those that are weak or lame cannot and the fittest horses will run them out - that is how it works. On a day like today - 40 degrees and bright sunshine - NO HORSE SHOULD HAVE BEEN BLANKETED - they will overheat. Fresh air and Sun would do these horses a world of good. Another instance of poor choices and a clueless horse owner.

The ones who are really to blame are the breeder's. For we all know that there are just to many horses and not enough homes for them. Its not like adopting a dog or a cat and then there are too many of these animals too because of iresponible people that don't spay and neuter. With no slaughter in the US this is the effects of the ban now. Slaughter is a horrible way for such a beautiful animal to go, but starving in someones back yard to me is much worse. Just where are all these horses in the next couple of years going to end up??? With the economy in such bad shape and people loosing their jobs, and no one wants their horse who will go hungry first? Even if they wanted to have their old friend put down the vet bill and burial charge would be more then they could afford. So maybe they wait and see if finance will improve as their horse gets thinner. So what is the real answer here????? There will be more farms like this one who just can't keep up with the numbers. I have owned horses all my life (52yrs) and always pray that I will always have enough to feed them. So far I have kept that promise. Just remember the next time you think of breeding your backyard horse, think of ALL the good ones already here waiting for someone to take care of them. Is that foal really that important just for your self serving ego????

Val... These people do not own the farm. They lease it. I know that sucks, cause that would have been a good idea.. Is Gypsy the horse Becky told me about? There was another called Paula... I would love to talk to you off this forum.. Im just not sure how.. If Becky is the same one then she has my contact info.

To all of you saying, hey why don't you go out and talk to her for yourself and take a look for yourself, she's really such a nice and wonderful person, just trying to help out these oh so sad cases she takes in out of the goodness of her heart to help....I'll tell you why, because she really doesn't want people out there, I emailed her 3 times about going out to talk to her and see her horses and 3 times I got no reply so yesterday I went out anyway...and yes, I kept it legal and stayed on the road. I was there for about 20 minutes looking at the horses I could see on both sides of her driveway. The shelters in the pasture are as portrayed here, crappy, falling down, dangerous to the horses, not 3 sided as law states even when they were still completely standing. And even if the shelters there had been 3 sided and in good shape there is NO WAY all the horses pastured, even if you packed them in like sardines could get into them You wouldn't have gotten even a third of them under cover. Now I saw some horses in good weight (for now, I'm sure she got them in that way) and I saw a few in so so condition and I saw a bunch with blankets on them and it was very obvious that the blankets were in hope of covering the nightmare that laid beneath them. Even with the blankets you could clearly see hip and backbones protruding to the point it tented the blankets over those areas. I'm sure, because as the state has said themselves there are 50-60 horses there that there had to have been many inside and I don't even want to think about how bad those horses must look if she's hiding them in the barn. As far as I'm concerned, at this point the state is just as responsible as the idiots that own them are, to have been in there and working with them on this issue for a couple of weeks and to still let those horses stay is an abomination and I'm just as disgusted at my state officials as I'm am the people (and I use that term loosely) are. Wake Up Norma! Do the right thing by horses in dire need for once in your tenure working for Maine. Remember you work for US! Do your job and do it before these horses suffer any more and/or die! Although at this point for some of these horses a death would be a huge improvement over the hell they are living here on earth. Thank God Fugly Horse has picked up this story too, she has a huge readership and I'm sure many of them will add to the pressure that the state is already feeling. Pretty sad people have to do everything we all have been doing to try and make people do their job! Not to mention to do what is just and right by these animals. I'd like to know how the state people involved in this case can sleep at night knowing that those animals are STILL suffering. But hey! They are working on a "Herd Management Plan" who are we to have an issue with going on? Here's a herd management plan for you, geld her stallions, take all the horses out of there and ban her from ever having them again, that's the only type of Herd Management that is acceptable in this situation.

I am also told there are quite a few horses in Burnham too.. Not a clue of the condition of any of them there. Just wish that could be checked out.. Now TO::: our Gov's office monitoring this site.. Can all of us (We the citizens of the Great State of Maine) That voted and elected you be wrong??? WE HAVE VOICED OUR GRIEF AND SADNESS OVER THIS SITUATION. WE HAVE SHOWN DOCUMENTED PROOF WITH PICTURES OF THIS ONGOING FOR YEARS. We have obviously proved that Norma has not done the job she is assigned to for many years. AND not JUST IN THIS CASE. Will someone in the GOVENORS OFFICE PLEASE MAKE SOMETHING HAPPEN RIGHT NOW. 1st... we need these animals taken into protective custoday immediately pending this investigation. 2nd... We need someone working in the Animal Wefare Dept that actually does the job. It is blatenly obvious that these people have no capability of being worked with. Since that has been proved over years. And for Norma or anyone else to think they are doing the right thing working with these people all this time is redictulous. Having conserns for them and their lively hood. WTF.. Heard Mangaement has been explained on here enough times that Should have even taught Norma a thing or 2. Geld the stallions. NO STANDING STUDS. That would help more then alot. No new horses brought in for any reason.. If these people for some reason find a bunch that "need rescueing" call a rescue group to take them in that actually has room and finacial ability. Work with these people to help them place these animals into safe caring rescues until they have a very small herd that they can manage financialy.. OR NONE even better.. Governor, Norma and anyone else in atthority.. Please do something now.. Norma, I actually hold you just as much responcible for all of this right now. Had you done your job and not "WORKED WITH THEM" Doing herd management you would not have Herd Mangaged them right into a huge freakin herd.

Having these dilapidated shelters does not cover the law as the horse will not go near it in most cases because they sense it is unsafe. What are people thinking when they feel this is an O.K. situation for any animal. Would they themselves live like this?

I was on other pages here reading .. hmmm If channel 6 can not run this story due to the onwers needing to talk to thier lawyer ( in other words figureing out how to cover thier asses legally ) then why cant they do a story on the maine laws of horse care and how they are NOT being followed, BY the Animal welfair.. seems to me something could be aired on how things are being "overlooked" with this farm. And as for the statement abotu as long as there is a barn on the property they are coveted , thatw as not the case with me.. i have a 14 stall barn , not fancy but clean solid and safe. and when i was turned in by a neighbor concerned that my horses had blankets on in 90 degree weather ( they was fly sheets ) i was told the horses HAD to have beable to go in and out of a shelter at all times when turned out in a pasture. All my horses are in thier own fenced in area so no one gets kicked or has to fight for any food and i can feed each one acordingly .. some need more then others in the way of grain and vit. i can also keep track of who is drinking well and who isn't. But thats jsut the way i do it .. but again i was told they ALL had to be able to get to a shelter 24/7 .. by the way when the worker for the state of maine showed up here i had all the horses in the barn and they had fans running feed in front of them and clean cool water as well. lol

For all of you who have added comments and judged, I don't blame you. For those of you who have defended this farm in Clinton, I don't blame you either. I am not pointing fingers, but what hurt the most for me was reading these comments. Are you grown men and women? Or are you petty teenagers? Few of you may know me, and I will stay un-named for now. I am 16 years old and have already helped/aided in a few different rescue situations which have been posed on this site (Way to go Maddy :D!!!) Me and a few other 4-Hers went to see Honey when she was first receiving care, and the situation in Waldoborrow/Warren (which was on the news and I am SURE you have heard about) I have also been involved in. When I first read this article, I though "What? Not again!!!" I read through a few of the comments, but they just made me mad, so I stopped. Last night and this morning I read through the rest of them. It made me cry. Not the fact that the animals are ill and uncared for (don't get me wrong that's sad too!!!), but the comments that showed so many people willing to stab each other in the back. I am currently a sophomore in High School and I don't have to deal with this much catty BS!!! (Excuse my language.) Seriously you guys? Really? This is a horrid situation that these horses are in, and it should stop. That's why I am sending an e-mail to Michelle Baily (head of everything 4-H related really in Maine) to start a petition to learn of the Maine State Animal Abuse Laws and any other Laws concerning horse/animal abuse, and to see what needs to be done to change them for the better. This case in particular is just not okay, I understand if you board your horse with these people, and help them on weekends, don't be ashamed, SHARE YOUR NAME, but what I don't understand is how you think it's okay for 5 or 6 or more horses to share a SMALL shelter which is NOT enclosed and is a danger hazard. If there are BLIND horses out in theses fields, DON'T YOU THINK IT'S AN ISSUE THAT THEY CAN'T SEE?!?!?!?!?!?!?! Everyone says that these horses have round bales, but shouldn't it be sated that maybe, JUST MAYBE the hay isn't the best of quality? And YES I understand that good hay is hard to come by this time of year. But to have round bales outside in COLD and WET weather is a great combination for MOLDY HAY!!! Was that not thought of? Really? Okay, they call themselves a "Horse Rescue Facility", but if you live or have ever been to the Hope/Union area and have heard of Mt. Pleasant Farm, then you would know that not all rescue facilities are top shelf. Judy had the best in mind, but she was constantly over her horse limit with inadequate food and shelter. She is now shut down and I believe has moved else where. Please, I believe that we should do what we can for the horses in Maine that we CAN help, because obviously, this farm in Clinton is going NOWHERE. If you would like to be a part of my petition, then PLEASE by ALL MEANS contact me and leave me your name, number (optional), an e-mail address (optional) and maybe even a brief comment about your opinion of our laws. My e-mail address is dilemma1993@gmail.com Please don't hesitate, I would like a LARGE AND LONG list before the end of this week. And now that its February vacation, I will check my computer and e-mail daily. But, as one of my choral directors once told me, "If you turn off all the lights in the room but one, is the room completely dark?" Same goes for our voices. We can NOT be quiet about this.

michelle's comment is so true. if everyone adding comments could do one thing to help one horse, a huge dent will be made in the problem. most people in our horse community have the knowledge and experience to take in one horse for 3 months, tend to superficial skin issues. fatten it up, teach it some ground manners and find it a home. You dont have to register as a rescue to do this. You can contact animal welfare and/or the local animal control and offer what you can. if only to transport one horse away from the farm or donate a couple bags of feed to whomever takes one in. one bag of grain or beet puple goes along way with one horse. maybe we can get a list compiled of people who are taking these horses in and make donations to them.

Oh, and Jo Clark? I would have to say, that's just mean and uncalled for. I know many (and am personally) a vegetarian. And most horses are not raised for slaughter. If you would like, I will take the time to give you my opinion of animal slaughter in a long and intensive e-mail. Killing animals is not a pleasurable thing, no matter how you look at it.

I'm with you Susan. We can all do something, even if it's only to donate a bag or two of grain or help with hay. This is a shout out to all horse lovers -- think about what you can do/offer to help if and when these horses are placed. Maybe you have a temporary foster home, or maybe you can donate some feed or shavings. Maybe you can help with a farrier bill or a vet bill. We can all do something.

Is anyone paying attention to the fact that they are hauling horses out of there right now? PRIMARILY THE STATE ANIMAL WELFARE DEPARTMENT!!!! These slugs are going to get away with this if you are not on your toes!

Yooooo.......... ANIMAL WELFARE PEOPLE !!!!!!!!!! Do you know where the horses are??? I sure hope for all those animals that You Animal welfare people took them out today.. Other wise again you dragged your feet and lost all your evidence..

Ihave been to this so called rescue.Seems crazy the state will take peoples couple horses but not ALL these, sounds like a money issue to me. people say save them we dont even know what, and how many dieseases they have, to take care of them that are so far gone is crazy''To put them down is the only answer even the slaughter houses dont want such unhealthy horses. But to do right is costly and who is going to pay is the answer, sat there was a horse which just fell over and couldnt get up.come on people do we wonder why we have to have all these shots every year (for the people who do)these horses could effect horses for miles ,with birds and bodies lying there dying,glad i dont live in cliton, but dont say we are slamming this lady,horses cant speak for them selves.where is this great org,called PETA why arent they out there.oh yeah they stopped the slaughter of horses in united states,but someone needs to stop them from getting more horses.this is so sad and i have been there and if its a rescue why are they charging you to take a horse? they should be happy, if it lives after all the vet bills and care and has to be keep away from your healthy animals,you have an animal that will need special care for ever.this is sad that the state has let it get so bad,that now its a money issue horse lover,trainer,and ferrier

Dear Concerned, I am truly "concerned" about someone who could go to that farm for their own enjoyment and NOT know that something is very, very wrong there. Maybe opening your eyes would help. Keep up the fight guys!!! We need to know where these scumbags have hauled these horses off to. They are obviously scrambling right now to get rid of the evidence that could hang them and since the State has dropped the ball yet again it's up to us!! I'm told through a good source that someone is going over Norma's head on this one so our noise is working....Keep it up!

I have known the women in question thats running this operation for many years and simply can not believe this, however pictures tell no lies... I bought pitt bul from her 3 yrs ago and everything was fine then in 3 short years this has happened, there are plenty of people out there that want a horse and simply do not have the funds to purchase one and these horses are starving? Something is not right here. I have been a lifelong horse lover and couldnt imagine living with this guilt day after day of what she is doing, sorry lex but this is just wrong and something needs to be done... I also live a short distance from the farm in question in Burnham...

Well it seems we are getting off the subject of the matter at hand..Myself included... Seems people are posting standing up for these people and in doing so have completely cause some of us to react.. Me included.. But in our defense (HOW THE HELL COULD WE NOT REACT)... I have endured enough laughing at the stupid posts meant to defend the accused.. People,,, come on,,, you are showing ignorance in your own horse keeping ability while defending the accused. It is about the horses at the farm or that have been removed by the accused. Where are they, why are they being hidden, Are they getting food now where ever they are or at this time do they even need food.. Why is the state not doing their job and what can we all do as a group to make something happen and light a fire under someone ass before it is completely too late...

To, "me thinks you prtoests too much". Thank GOD there are other horses that are looking fat!!As we horse lovers care for all God's creatures....huh!!! It is quite obvious those thin, dirty and severely emaciated ones need our help at this time!I am so very glad that they all don't look like that poor dear appy colt!!! YES!!! I say YES!!!! we all have a problem w/ the people leasing this farm. THEY are not feeding and properly caring for these horses. YES I personally have a problem with that! I ate today Did you? Oh , it is obvious the so called professionals are not doing their jobs. Ok, this is why we are stepping in. There is an ad for boarding at this facility, thus open to the public! So, there is no such thing as trespassing! They DO NOT OWN THIS FARM ANYWAYS! Oh, where do I start....WE ARE NOT SHUTTING UP until every horse is removed! The parties in question are arrested for animal cruelty! Committing Fraud via the Federal Government by claiming to be a RESCUE! And never ever being able to go within 500 feet of a horse again! Question to the farm owner: ..is there a signed, witnessed lease agreement on this property? Why haven't you stepped in? Throw these rotten people off YOUR property! They are trespassing! Must have broken some part of this lease? I challenge you to go over there w/ the police!!!!!Then all of us can go over and help once in for al!! Volunteers unite!

Has anyone thought about getting PETA involued. It may take some big shoes to kick a little ass. The town office should be swamped with letters demanding the people lose their jobs that allow this to continue.

OPEN YOUR DOORS TO THE PUBLIC AND THE MEDIA.. You are keeping everything secret and sneaky, what the hell are we supposed to be thinking.. OPEN UP AND TELL YOUR SIDE OF THE STORY.. Stop shipping out the as we call it (EVIDENCE) Prove to us it is not EVIDENCE.. The more you hide and sneak the more untrustworthy everything you say becomes. If these horses were truly rescues and came to you in this condition, the for Gods sake (prove it (have the former owners investigated) Report the former owners that you received them from.. Turn this all around to show their fault and your innocents. I am telling you now.. You have been reading all of these posts as everyone knows, So use the publicity to your advantage. And by doing that you will in a matter of moments receive an abundance of help. But as long as you continue to be sneaky and underhanded about everything going on, there is no way any of us can believe anything except what we know and what we are told and the pictures say many 1000" of words.... You guys,, open your eyes.,. You have a huge audience to prove your story to and that audience is prepared to help in anyway you need. But only if what you claim is true.. Lets see it.. Lets see the proof....

Christine: I could not imagine why my 1st post was removed however, I'll try again, let's band together as a community for the well being of those horses and do what we can. I am willing to physically work beside & with anyone who is willing to do whatever it takes to get wormer, water, hay whatever! Just tell me where you need me to be and my word as a dedicated hore person will be there...on time!! I agree with Jeff York in many ways...and as I always say when I come across situations that need help...voice of horse from behind the walls"Please don't walk away, I'm in here, can't you hear me, my feet hurt, my insides are climbing out my backside beyond pain, can you hear me out there? Please help me!" Oh that's right...horses can't speak for themselves no can they!? Thank you Jeff and all others who are trying to help

I have been down that road with Norma and other state officials.. They were not doing anything about my complaint, so I took matters into my own hands and helped out with food, shavings and fencing for a person, as well as purchase 2 emaciated horses. The moment I left food on that property I was told that there was no complaint as the animals had food.. Grrrrrrr.. Kinda like the State has it all figured out.. If we all feed them now , they dont have to do there job and protect them.. I am as much an animal lover and as much as I want to go feed each and everyone one of them right this minute. I also know that in doing so we will be closing the case for the State... And these people will be able to continue the business they have been running and we will in turn be funding it.. down the road this will all happen all over again with another bunch of horses... And the circle will never be broken.

Sorry, I have to say.. That was not the Opening of the doors I was talking about.. Sad sad sad.. These people had this perfect opportunity to get an abundance of help, but slammed the doors on the offers.. How terrible sad this whole thing is...

I am a 9 year old girl who loves horses and to see this happen to these horses really hurts and breaks my heart!SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE DONE!

I've just finished writing to every member of the Joint Standing Committee on Agriculture, Conservation and Forestry and Governor Baldacci. I am positively sickened at the thought of what may be happening to these horses in an attempt to cover up the felonious activity by Alexis and Brett Ingraham. Keep on writing!

Everyone is very concerned about starving horses right? That is why they wrote these comments -- 1.A friend was told that she is keeping horses for Hemphills that are going to the killers. 2.If you saw her facebook status you must have seen that she is also pregnant. *insert eyeroll 3. Oddly enough, there were animal abuse laws before there were child abuse laws! ... If you have room for a horse at your stable go get one at this facility. Put your concern where your mouth is --if you have room for any of the horses go to the facility and get one. I did, in fact I have two of them now. Others have too.

..now this is just a thought that I have had all day long as I raked xx in my own paddock over the top of ice ladden hills from a long cold disolving winter. Who's to tell us as a band of citizens that it would be so wrong if we all (for those who are brave & willing) hooked horse trailers to our trucks, if you have trailer and no truck, find a friend and hook up, we all gather and grow in numbers by the minute on our way by the local feed stores, ...to Augusta State House to gather in support with the assistance of local PD State of course, rounding up from all corner of our barns and the barns of friends and neighbors, a bale of hay each, a round bale if you can hall it, wormers, a local vet if they are willing to do a pro bono, a farrier which we already have on board as I see in our comments, ....just see how much we can accomplish in one damn huge effort to help these defensless animals to feel the power of horse people rolling down that driveway to come to their hungry hurting hearts and bring them some relief! "Clean Water...GOD's gift" They cannot refuse us, the State cannot say there is to quote "no problem at this place because we contributed to feed and water the horses" because all the powers that be will be there! If they like they can stand there as we roll in ...Horse people have a very strong bond of sister/brotherhood so let's help our 4 legged sister's and brother's who have carried the weight of a human burden on their backs for years...let's roll people, my coat is on and hay is in hand, I have an extra wormer too!

I would have to agree with Bill. I care for animals and do not think they should be abused or mistreated in any way but when there are children hungry or their lights about to be turned out in the middle of winter and no one can seem to help them, it doesnt make sense to be fussing so much over a few horses.

Blankets cover alot on thin horses.

Holy Gee people. I want to believe you want to do best for the animals but now there is are talk about this women being pregnant, shouldn't have so many horses if she is pregnant-- questioning her ability to be a good mother ...Stop bringing things into the conversation that doesn't belong there. Safety precautions please.

Considering the facts as they are and have been stated. It is expensive to rehab even just 1 emaciated animal. So good hearted people wanted to help ,, could do so by adopting the animals from the farm.However, the owners are not adoptng them out. They are selling them to caring people that just want to save 1. Problem being. 1. they are paying out money to the owners that would be best spent for the care once they are home with the caring person. 2. The money used to purchase the emaciated animal continues to FINANCE and run the HERD MANAGEMENT PROGRAM at the farm.

In the beginning claimed to be a rescue. But as of the news last night, they stated that they are not a rescue, but take in the occasional rescued animal. Wow lots of occasions happening.. However, when they take in the the occasional rescued animal, why have they not reported the people they took them from. This would help prove the plea of the innocent...

Empathy does not BEGIN with, nor should it be exclusive to people helping people. I daresay that many of these folks posting outrage against horse abuse and neglect also share concern for their fellow man and may even support philanthropic organizations as well as animal-related ones. I, myself, believe fully that anyone who can turn a blind eye to the overt suffering of animals can also, without guilt, turn a blind eye to the suffering of children, the homeless, disabled veterans, the mentally ill... I ask YOU, who protest our protestations, what have YOU done to make a difference today in the lives of those you think WE ought to be more concerned about? ... crickets chirping... yeah, I thought so.

Well, I have a barn to go tend to now and after that I have found the name, phone number and address of this place and I intend to call them and offer some help there too. If you have the time to sit and read this then you have the time to help someone too.

i read a few things on here about the ACO's. ACO's do all they can thier hands are tied , they report it the powers to be ( sort to speak )even take police to the site , make reports and thats all that can really do.. We can not blame the ACO's for this ..

"well i know these horses need homes but before the state does somethign the more we buy and take out of there the more room for them to replace them.." This does not fix the problem but will make it esculate.More horses will be brought in and we'll all be back at square one.

Agreed... We and the horses are at the mercy of the State Animal Welfare Personal and Law Enforcement and the operators of this farm. This whole thing taking so long is appalling to say the least. We all sit waiting for something to happen to make these horses safe. We all are ready to jump to action at a moments notice. We all want to help right this minute for the sake of the horses as it appears we are the ones who truly care.

I didn't hear them say they were a rescue. I heard them say they take in unwanted horses. What the hell is everyone wanting to count 50 or 60 horses for? They stated they had 50 or 60 horses and so did the news. Believe it people and stop trying to play detective. 1...2...3...

I drive by this place every day. I have for ten years. These shelters and fencing have been like this for a number of years that I can remember. Long before these people moved in early September of last year. Now I think of it, yes it was September and those pastures were a swamp due to the rain. You couldn't have gotten on them if your life depended on it. In fact, those horses were not in there then. They were just put in there after the ground froze. These people lease and being in real estate I know you CAN NOT build, tear down, move anything that does not belong to you. The owners are responsible for the upkeep of the property. I wonder if anything has been said to the owners about tearing down or fixing these shelters?

It doesn't matter if they own the property or lease it. Yes, the responsibility for repairs lie on the owner's shoulders, but the Ingrahams have MADE THE CHOICE to not only lease the property, but fill it beyond capacity. If they only had 18 horses there that were brought in every night (there are 18 stalls, correct?) The shelters would not be as much of an issue. But they don't. They rely on them to provide shelters for horses who have no stalls available to them. So the shelters and their condition are VERY MUCH an issue. And if you are a truly responsible horse owner, and the shelters on the property you're leasing are that poor, then take some of your own money and do some basic repairs. It's just not that hard.

I have been reading all your comments and the interview with the farm owners. I know there is two sides to every story, but I must say these folks sound like animal hoarders (OCD). I too have a large facility and am the first to tell you that maintenance is the biggest part of taking care of horses both monitarily and time wise. To that end, I am not likely to take on more than I can chew. I would be willing to donate some supplies to help them do a better job at maintaining their place, but that does not fix the hoarding issue. I don't know what you do about that, because even if all those horses were taken away from these people, it would just start up again, since OCD is a mental condition.

Hello everyone, I am submitting this in response to the huge issue currently, going on at the farm. This story and the photos relating to it are tough to read as well as the comments from all sides and perspectives.of this issue. The economic hardships in this state, in our country and throughout the world are devastating many people. Animals as well as people are suffering greatly. Offering assistance of any kind and volunteering is always a wonderful way to help those in crisis. That said, if acts of humanity and kindness, donations of supplies and monetary aid, only perpetuate and feed into an existing problem, without the root of the problem being addressed and resolved, then that which was intended to be fixed will continue to thrive (sort of like adding fuel into a fire). It would only enhance the suffering of those currently afflicted. I feel that there still exists more goodness in humankind than evil. That said, I firmly believe that which we say we are... we should be and that which we say we will do ...we must do. If Maine legislature has created laws and professes to have the 2nd toughest animal abuse laws in this nation, and yet,, does not enforce the laws for all the animals in this state, then it has falsified itself to the people who believe in the system and those who represent it. Investigating in a timely and professional manner, using knowledgeable people in the field, who can make the determinations necessary to deem who is or who is not in fault of laws made, would help to avoid the situation that currently exists and perhaps might have avoided the depth of the suffering it has created for all that are involved. I believe that our actions, how we treat one another, how we care for others (animals included) are merely a reflection of ourselves. Please, everyone read the following that I sent in response to Janet's Tuttle's story as I think it relates to all issues of animal abuse.: Thank you Janet Tuttle for bringing more awareness to the readers regarding the issues that occur currently within our state system. The posted photos (as well as your story) will pull at the hearts of animal lovers and will most likely cause many to have troubled thoughts and perhaps sleepless nights. Awareness... This is what it takes to rally people together to make change happen. People can rally and accomplish change but the road is often long and hard. I have seen other causes fall by the wayside because people become afraid of repercussions for speaking out and/or disheartened by long battles that can appear hopeless. Because of the complexity and the length of time that it takes to enforce, change or add new laws that protect those who are in need or suffering (animals or humans) one can become discouraged, lose faith, lose strength and perhaps even the will to continue on with the cause. Oftentimes, the initial numbers of people that began the struggle for change will diminish, despite all good intentions and efforts. One may become disheartened, lose hope, trust and perhaps, even doubt the human race in its worthiness to be the caregivers of this earth. If our system is broken, it has to be fixed. It will take large numbers of people to stand long and hard, side by side to educate themselves and others on how to work within the current system, its legal guidelines, to ensure that changes do happen. From an internship experience working at a congressional office a few years ago, I learned that reactions happen quickly when people mass together and call in on the same day ( to protest,or to request action or change). When people appear in mass numbers at and around those offices in a respectful, courteous manner without causing an unruly disturbance (the more professional the better folks) it produces results. By submitting short information sheets and signed petitions by the citizens for the office to review etc. it will create a reaction from the officials to do something. Massive numbers of people, rallying in large groups, making phone calls on the same day or days,to state officials (as well as to our government elected officials) causes them to really pay attention, as it makes it difficult to get the regular work done.(Trust me, I know from that experience) ..... And I conclude by saying...."Let's go everyone!" Respectfully, Kathy Carpenter

as far as the horses in distress you may very well be correct, much like the DA who has to say "no body, no murder". However if we can keep the outcry strong maybe we can accomplish what Janet said in another post clean out the Deering building and start fresh with people who will enforce the laws of this state for all the animals not just the ones they choose.

Animal Welfare has failed to use the laws regulations as printed in thier own book. (you can download a copy at their website) ...M. HEALTH OF ANIMALS AT THE TIME OF RELEASE The following conditions shall make an animal unfit for sale or release: 1. Obvious clinical sign of infectious, contagious, parasitic or communicable disease or abnormality. 2. Obvious signs of starvation or malnutrition. 3. Congenital abnormalities, except with disclosure and acceptance by the person adopting or potential owner. 4. Blindness. (Exception: under 3 above.) 5. Animals determined to be unfit for sale or release as described above, shall be isolated and treated by/or at the direction of a licensed veterinarian or euthanized in a humane manner. If the treatment for any of the above conditions brings about recovery to a good to normal state of health, as determined by acceptable veterinary practice, the animal can then be considered for release or sale. (The new owner shall be apprised of the condition treated and the treatment provided the animal.) .... II. Food A. Equines shall have unlimited access to clean water to maintain normal hydration. B. Each equine shall have sufficient hay, grain, or other feed to maintain its normal body weight. Additional feed shall be fed to underweight animals to achieve normal weight. C. The feeding arrangements shall be such that each animal gets its own proper share of food twice a day. D. All owners/keepers of equine shall have on hand at all times enough hay and grain to maintain all equine in a healthy condition. I think these pretty much say it all AWP has failed yet again on pretty much all counts where these are concerned.

Also, I would be more than willing to help in anyway possible. I would be willing to foster a horse if needed. I wish them the best of luck -- those poor horses truly need it.

i am an animal control officer from another town also involved in the ongoing investigation w/this facility, the state can only do so much, the public really needs to help the state end this cruelty by calling agent reann demis @ 207- 287- 3846 with "credible evidence", specifically with information about the fairplay farm in "burnham" this place has more horses shipped to pastures in burnham, the public rigning that phone will make the biggest difference in saving these animals from this neglect, it makes no scence to call the clinton animal control, \...the public seeing and reporting continuasly is going to save these horses "PLEASE" all of you folks in the equine community need to step up and help the state put these torturing pigs out of buisiness, take pictures,make statments get involved ,instead of just bitching about it , especially those who live in the burnham area, if you see horses in a pasture w/no feed or shelter call that number or the animal control of burham, help us ,help these horse,we need you please,please, please keep complaining,together lets close this place down for good its not right and is cruel no doubt

You idiots want a name? My name is Lee Dyer. I have been to the farm, used to work there, and had my horse there. These people are being dragged through the mud for no other reason than some ass with a grudge. If you look at the pictures, you will notice the horses have plenty of hay to eat and if they wanted to go into a shelter, they would be there. Law or no law, horses do not reqire shelter...just ask the wild horses. My suggestion is you all need to worry more about yourselves and less about what good hard working people are doing.

you are correct in your comments about putting horses down if necessary EXCEPT the vet does not have to put it down, you can if your vet confirms.

I doubt that someone at the age of 17 would really know how to treat it. 2nd. You can not take horses across to Canada unless you have the necessary health paperwork for the horses going over. All horses have to be innoculated to cross therefore the farm vet would have to certify those horses. This farm vet and its owners must have discussed and set up some kind of maintenance plan which includes the size of their herd. If you don't want to give the owners credit for any type of planning then you should credit the vet.

To make it clear, if there is a farm vet - these horses that come into this facility are accessed by the owner and the vet. Typically, the owner and the vet discuss the future of the horse once the health check has been done. Hence, expense has already occurred for this animal because of health check. And, if the horse came from a dealer add on their asking price too. Presto, $400 just like that.

Believe none of what you here and only half of what you see. You people are sick accusing somebody for something you know nothing about. Does anybody know about thbs on here? because if you did you would know that they drop their weight as soon as they are taken off the track. This is because of the steroids they are givin and all the food they are givin so they can run. Their matabolism is going so fast that you can't keep weight on them until it slows down. These people save thbs from going to canada for dog food; or at least give them a chance to be trained and go to a good home. The only thing they are guilty of is having to many horses than that facility can hold in that shape.

I went to this farm to look at a young Leopard Appy gelding. The ad was cleverly worded and the pic of him was attractive. I went right away to look at this horse. When I arrived I was impressed at first with the size of the place. I was greeted by a pit bull dog that was intimidating, the looks of ones used for fighting and not the sort I would thing good to be around kids. As I got to looking around I noticed there were horses everywhere. There seemed to be a lot of land but not being used by the horses. Instead they were all in small paddock that were muddy and filled with manure.There were a few shelters that I wouldnt stand under. ...The hay quality looked bad too. There were about 8 horses in her outdoor arena. They were all thin. ... I was surprised when I saw him as he did not look anything like the photo. As I started to inspect him these are my findings on his condition: appeared visually in fair weight, could feel ribs under winter coat with little to no fat. Belly was distended. I suspect worms or poor diet. Skin was flaky with scabs, rainrot. Legs also had scratches. Coat was dull. Tail had been rubbed bare. Hooves were very over grown, long, chipped, cracked. Smelled bad of old urine and had that sticky feel to him. His spirits just seemed down unlike a young horse should have. But was told he was just mellow in nature. I then discovered the testicles I was not expecting. I asked why he had them when he was advertised as a gelding. She said something like he is so gentile like a gelding I don't think it matters. I just kinda nodded and went with it to see how the rest of my visit was going to go. At this point I had already come to the conclusion that I was dealing with people that didn't have a clue and didn't really care. ...She moved him to the barn again just with his halter no lead-line. We brought the appy into the indoor and free lounged him about. I was not very impressed with his gate and the fact that he was favoring his RF. ...When she was done she brought him outside and closer to the arena with the 8 horses in it of some mares and wanted to show me how good he was. He didn't call or act stupid at all so that was good. I asked her if he had ever breed before and she said he hasn't. Only got lose with a mare a few times but didn't "do" anything. A few days later I saw the horse in an old ad for him at stud. She told me she had over 20 stallions there and just liked to collect them. She said people just give them to her because no one wants a stud around. Which almost started me in arguing with her as to why she would advertise a stud as a gelding knowing that people don't want a stud on a farm with other horses being mares and geldings. I bit my tung on that though. She also told me that they were not a rescue but took in poor conditioned horses. ... My impression of this facility was very poor. There was a great lack of professionalism. The horses that were in poor condition were out front and the first to be seen and had little water and no feed.She did not seem very cognitive of the condition the horses were in or the living conditions. I think she knows that some of the horses